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In our verse-by-verse study of Romans we are in Rom 8:17; at the phrase translated "if indeed we suffer with."
We noted that there is a huge difference between the impeccability of Christ and the spiritual maturity of the believer. The difference includes imputed sin, the old sin nature, and the function of the sin nature trends of sin, human good, and evil.
That means that the undeserved suffering of the impeccable Lord Jesus Christ is unique.
The undeserved suffering of the mature believer is designed to demonstrate that capacity for blessing (from metabolized doctrine in the soul and the spirit) that also means capacity for suffering from that same doctrine that resides in the heart of mature believer's soul.
Capacity means the ability to suffer without stress from adversity being paramount because God's viewpoint from God's Word of Truth in the heart of the soul that supersedes the adversity that is paramount.
Therefore the undeserved suffering of the mature believer contributes to the rewards and blessing that are conveyed in eternity.
All undeserved suffering in time is God's down payment on future blessings from God. It is God telling the believers in time that they have great rewards in heaven.
Just as the blessing imputed from God's justice is the basis for blessing beyond ultimate sanctification in eternity, so the suffering that God permits to happen to the mature believer in time is the basis for reward beyond ultimate sanctification in eternity.
Maturity status in time is the result of the filling of the Spirit plus maximum doctrine resident in the soul and spirit. Maturity status is where the believer is occupied with Christ and has capacity for life and suffering.
Occupation with Christ in blessing means capacity for that blessing. Occupation with Christ in undeserved suffering means capacity for that suffering. God's justice provides what you have the capacity to handle from the power of God's Word of Truth in the heart of your soul.
That means the for mature believer's undeserved suffering is a blessing because spiritual maturity means having capacity for the potential of undeserved suffering.
"That we may also be glorified together" describes the other side of the coin. Undeserved suffering in the status of spiritual maturity in time results in glorification in eternity.
The word " hina" (that) with the subjunctive mood verb introduces a final clause to denote an objective, aim, or goal. The adjunctive use of "kai" (also) is used as an adverb.
Plus the aorist passive subjunctive from the compound verb "sundoxazo" (glorified with someone or to be fellow-glorified ones). It also means to share in someone else's glory so we have "that also we might be glorified together."
The aorist tense is a culminative aorist, that views the glorification of the Lord Jesus Christ in its entirety but regards it from the viewpoint of existing results so the culminative aorist tense describes the attainment of an objective.
The fact that Jesus Christ is glorified means that the way is now open for any believer as a member of God's royal family to share in His glory. But the believer must be mature and God's justice must permit the underserved suffering that correlates to blessing in eternity.
The passive voice: the believer receives the action of the verb, including the rewards and blessings of eternity that are above and beyond a resurrection body.
The subjunctive mood is the potential subjunctive that tells us that this depends on the believer attaining maturity adjustment to God's justice in time. 2Tim 2:12;
Expanded Translation Rom 8:17; "Now if we are children, we are also heirs; on the one hand heirs of God the Father, and on the other hand fellow-heirs with Christ; if indeed we suffer with maturity status, that we might also be glorified together."
Suffering for blessing in time means reward and blessing in eternity. But it must be undeserved suffering in spiritual maturity. Undeserved suffering, along with imputed blessings from God's justice is the basis for the greater blessing of eternity.
This anticipates and explains that Rom 8:28; is all about: the spiritually mature believer in undeserved suffering because undeserved suffering in time is parlayed into reward and blessing from God's justice in eternity. That reward and blessing in eternity is a direct imputation from God's justice.
All suffering in the status of maturity is undeserved suffering designed to glorify God, and at the same time to demonstrate that capacity for life and happiness in time also means capacity for suffering in time. Time is the only place where believers can suffer.
Capacity for suffering comes from God's Word of Truth resident in the heart of the soul that makes it possible for the believer to be occupied with Christ when enduring undeserved suffering from adversity.
This capacity is described in Rom 8:28; that in this context emphasizes and applies only to mature believers because it is only mature believers who have the doctrinal capacity necessary to love God.
God permits undeserved suffering and adversity in the mature believer's life in time to confirm that there will be future blessings for the mature believer in eternity.
When we understand that time is just a drop in the bucket compared to eternity this suffering becomes a demonstration of God's wisdom, the power of God's grace policy, and the perfection of God's justice. All underserved suffering in the mature believer's life is specifically permitted by God's justice.
The undeserved suffering of the spiritually mature believer anticipates the glorious inheritance of the future. Every time that the mature believer has undeserved suffering it is God's guarantee of future blessing,
Undeserved suffering is God's reminder, of the great blessing and rewards the mature believer is going to receive from God for eternity.
Verses 18-30 describe the new life of the spiritually mature believer from suffering to glorification.
Rom 8:18; the comparison of present suffering to eternal glory. "For I consider that the sufferings of this present time" starts with the explanatory use of the postpositive conjunctive particle "gar" (for), followed by the present middle indicative of the verb "logizomai" logically (conclude) is a word that is often mistranslated but It is properly transliterated as logic.
When "logizomai" is used with God is the subject it means to impute; when man is the subject it means to logically conclude.
In the Attic Greek this verb meant to deliberate on the basis of facts and to draw conclusions on the basis of logic. It was used to describe rational objective non-emotional thinking.
That means that it emphasizes a rational course of thought that is divorced from emotion and evaluated logically from the facts.
When you evaluate the facts with your emotions you make irrational incorrect conclusions because emotion does not create or advance rational thought; emotion can only react to thought and when used properly appreciate thought.
But when this verb is used to describe God it is translated "impute" because He did all of the thinking in eternity past. God acts exclusively on the basis of omniscience knowing all of the facts therefore he imputes.
When it comes to human life, He imputes life to the soul and at the same time God's justice imputes Adam's sin to the genetically formed old sin nature so that we would be condemned at birth and have the opportunity to be blessed by God in life and for all of eternity.
If there is no imputation of Adam's original sin there is no way for the person who dies before reaching accountability to be saved. All of the imputations are based upon God's thinking, not God's foreknowledge.
Foreknowledge is a result of the decree but not the means of the decree. Omniscience is the means; foreknowledge is the result. Foreknowledge makes nothing certain; it simply recognizes what is certain so we have "For I conclude."
The present tense is a retroactive progressive present that describes a conclusion that started in the past and continues into the present time.
The middle voice, since this is a deponent verb it is active in meaning. It is telling us that Paul as the human author produces the action of the verb through his understanding of God's Word of truth.
The indicative mood is declarative for a dogmatic conclusion that is made from understanding from God's Word of Truth.
Then comes the conjunction "hoti" (that) is used to describe the content of a conclusion from an accurate system of thought.
Plus the subject, the nominative plural from "pathema" (sufferings) with the article "ho" (the) making it monadic so it is translated "the sufferings" because it is referencing specific undeserved sufferings that God saw would occur that He permits to impact our life for our benefit as spiritually mature believers so we have "For I conclude that the sufferings."
Then the adverb of time "nun" (present or now) with the definite article "ho" (the making it monadic so it refers) to a specific time during the believer's life after salvation when believers are aware of all of these great imputations from God that are the outline of this passage and of our life in time after we are saved.
The believer's life is outlined by God's imputations. With this is the genitive of time singular from the noun "kairos" (time) that can refer to both a point of time and to a period of time.
In this case it refers to a period of time specifically spiritual maturity that establishes capacity adjustment to God's justice from metabolized doctrine in the heart of the soul. It is a singular genitive of time with the definite article "ho" (the).
This is another generic use of the definite article that makes it monadic so it is describing special category of suffering: undeserved suffering for the specific purpose of blessing at a specific time. This is suffering in time that leads to glory as well as blessing.